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Below is a series of images of flags that have been provided to FOTW; some we have recognized, and some we have been unable to recognize. If you can help us identify any of these flags, please let us know! Contact the: UFE Editor.
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This flag has been positively identified and moved to its permanent location on FOTW at "European Union: Use of the flag in art."
This flag has been positively identified and moved to its permanent location on FOTW at "European Union: Use of the flag in art."
This flag was positively identified and moved to its permament location on the FOTW European Union: Protest flags page.
These flags have been identified as some used by the Spanish francoist-like group Bases Autónomas and are now located at their proper location.
This Flag has been identified as another used by the Spanish Francoist-like group Bases Autónomas and is now located on their proper page.
This Flag has been identified as another used by the Spanish Francoist-like group Bases Autónomas and is now located on its proper page.
This flag was identified, and has been moved to the NATO page as the Joint Command Southwest (JCSW) command flag.
Image provided by Jim Ferrigan, 8 January 2010
Here is an UFE identified only as an institutional flag from Maryland, made by Annin. The image of this flag was sent to me by a staff person at the Star-Spangled Banner Flag House & Museum of Baltimore, Maryland; and was identified only as an unknown "institutional flag?." Presumably the photo was taken there. Presumably sometime in the 1990s as that is when it was acquired. The Annin connection is provided by the Annin makers mark visible on the upper hoist obverse of the flag.
Jim Ferrigan, 8 January 2010
Sorry, no help on this one. Except to say it is clearly a House in the center. Searching under "federal housing flag" came up with logos for various federal home funding agencies, but no flag or similar logo. Did anyone try contacting Annin?
Nick Artimovich, 20 January 2010
It looks like some sort of bridge to me.
Jack Lowe, 29 January 2010
Image from Paul Grubb, 29 January 2010
It also resembles the logo used for Equal Housing Opportunity. See the attached logo.
Paul Grubb, 29 January 2010
I inquired at Annin Flag Company and received this reply from Kathleen Lubanski (Sales, Administrative Assistant): "Unfortunately I have no information for the flag that is pictured. If it was from over five years ago we would no longer have the information in our system. Sorry I could not be of better assistance." So it still remains a mystery, even to the company that manufactured the flag. I also asked Kathleen to hang-up a picture of it on their bulletin board to see if any of the "old-timers" might remember it, so perhaps something will come of that.
Pete Loeser, 2 February 2010
If it were a bridge, we would probably see the circle continue under it. That's not the case, though.
Peter Hans van den Muijzenberg, 27 February 2011
Image from Aleksandar Nemet, 9 January 2010
Here is a photo of an unidentified purple, yellow, white horizontally striped flag photographed in Rome, Italy. The original uploader of this photo to Wikimedia Commons (Joan Lewis, 22 July 2009) said that it might be a religious flag.
Aleksandar Nemet, 9 January 2010
Yellow and white are the colors of the Vatican or "Holy See". The color purple is associated with royality, nobility and spirituality, and may stand for the Pope, although today scarlet red would be a better match. Purple is also the color for penitence and mourning, and is the liturgical color for the seasons of Advent and Lent. This may have been flown during a Vatican or Catholic religious holiday.
Pete Loeser, 4 April 2010.
The purple, yellow, and white striped flag looks like it might be a variation on the historic flag representing the battle for women's suffrage. If so, I have no idea how it would end up hanging from a Rome apartment.
Perry Dane, 30 June 2010
Joan Lewis did indeed publish a message about the flag on her blog. An American lawyer saw that on her blog on June 25 and suggested it was an American suffragette flag!
The flag does indeed look similar to the American suffragette flags, except that the order is reversed. I see that Perry Danes is quoted on the list as saying more or less the same. He might be that same lawyer, of course. I can't check whether he mentioned Joan's blog, though, as I can't find his message at all.
Perry already mentions that don't have any known reason for such a flag appearing in these times in Rome. Furthermore, we also don't have anything on known variations. I don't actually see anything on the American suffrage. Is there anyone who could write a good contribution on these?
Peter Hans van den Muijzenberg, 14 July 2010
I tried to search with Google Images and the only result is that Leola Corps (Korp! Leola), an Estonian student fraternity found in 1920, which is present also on Facebook. The reason why a flag of that fraternity is hanging from a Roman building is still a mystery (even if a motto of the fraternity is the Latin Age quod agis meaning "do what you are doing" or "to the business at hand"). Another possibility would be a flag of some historical or local happening: many Italian quarters/wards still have peculiar flags.
Paolo Montanelli, 25 January 2014
Another possibility: the flag of the Catalan town of Vinyols i els Arcs.
Paolo Montanelli, 2 February 2014
As for this last, I was already wondering why a flag belonging to an Estonian student fraternity would be displayed in Rome, so perhaps a flag of a Catholic Spanish town located in nearby Catalonia in Northeast Spain could make a little more sense?
Pete Loeser, 7 February 2014
Well, I guess that would depend on whether the fraternity travelled to Rome on occasion. As little sense as it makes, at face value, it's a better answer than a suggestion that doesn't have the stripes in the right order.
Peter Hans van den Muijzenberg, 7 February 2014
As per your earlier suggestion, perhaps the flag was accidentally hung the wrong way, i.e. upside down?
Pete Loeser, 14 February 2014
Wikipedia depiction (mentioned below)
The flag in question could hardly be that of Vinyols i els Arcs, owing to the stripes being in the wrong order. This suggestion makes more sense when using the Wikipedia depiction of the Vinyols i els Arcs flag, as there the purple is darker, and a closer match to the UFE's colour. Is there a reason for the difference in shade? Since the UFE has the yellow in the middle, and Vinyols i els Arcs has the yellow on an edge, I don't think even Moebius can help flipping the one to show the other.
Peter Hans van den Muijzenberg, 14 June 2014
Image by Daniel Boese, 11 January 2010
I found a small plastic stick-pin in a pile of family souvenirs dating from the 1970's-1980's, in the form of a rectangular flag about a centimetre wide. I haven't been able to find it at FOTW; given what it was found among, I think that it might be from an airline, possibly a Canadian one, possibly Nova Scotian. It consists of a white field, with a broad horizontal blue stripe at the bottom, above which is a much narrower red stripe; halfway across, both stripes angle upwards, with the red stripe reaching the top-right corner.
Daniel Boese, 11 January 2010
This is pure speculation based on hazy memories, but the style and color reminds me of a design once seen on United Airlines planes, and didn´t Air Transat (an airline based in Montreal and Quebec) also use a similar tail design in the 1980s? Does anybody else remember seeing them besides me?
Pete Loeser, 24 January 2010
This was a logo used by the Progressive Conservative Party of Canada in the 1972 Federal election. In my political past I worked on that campaign. I remember the discussion about this new sort of branding, just using a symbol, not a name or initial. The traditional format was usually a political sign with candidate's name appearing above the stripes. However, they also gave out lapel pins just like these.
Ed Schollenberg, 13 April 2010
Image from Rodney Duggua, 25 January 2010
Can you help me in identifying the Shipping Line shown in the attached not very good photo of a painting of a ship called "Aral." This was a ship that a Great Uncle of mine may have been Master of. The painting was salvaged by my late Father upon the death of my Great Aunt and this must have been some 40 years ago. With thanks.
Rodney Duggua, 25 January 2010
Cropped Image, 26 January 2010
I am forwarding this inquiry about a flag shown in a painting of the Aral to the FOTW mailing list. The flag of concern appears to be the red-white-blue vertical tricolour swallowtail, with the white band taking the form of 4 elongate diamonds stretching horizontally almost from hoist to fly.
Rob Raeside, 26 January 2010
The "Aral" was a tanker built 1891 for W. Tapscott & Company of Liverpool being broken up at Inverkeithing 28/8/1929. In 1897, the Tapscott fleet was bought by Hamilton, Fraser & Company of Liverpool and operated under the name of the Rover Shipping Company. Hamilton, Fraser also operated as the Inch Shipping Company Ltd. (Their flag is shown on the FOTW page on British shipping companies). According to Lloyds 1904 the word "INCH" shown in Antönio's image was replaced by "ROVER." The painting image does not show the lettering which is not really surprising. Hamilton, Fraser sold the ship in 1908 together with 6 others and their last ship was sold in 1909 (nothing on the buyers) so the painting obviously portrays the ship in the period 1897-1908.
Neale Rosanoski, 13 February 2010
White letters added by UFE Editor to ease identification
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This appears to be a water color picture of different Islamic flags. I found it among my grandfathers research materials. He wrote and co-wrote several books and articles on flags. His name was Commodore Byron McCandless USN ret. He passed away in 1967. It is on a poster board weight paper. It measures apx 12 1/2 by 19 1/2 inches.
William Garrison, 26 January 2010
Flag "F" in the sketch appears to be charged with a somewhat modified (older) version of the coat-of-arms of the Ottoman Empire ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Osmanli-nisani.svg ). Of course, since every flag in the sketch is captioned, what we really need is a high-rez scan and someone who can read Arabic or pre-latinization Turkish...
Eugene Ipavec, 13 February 2010
The original captions are merely the numbers of the flags from the original source.
Peter Hans van den Muijzenberg, 8 March 2011
Image from Andries van der Graaf, 29 January 2010
This was sent by Andries van der Graaf from Nieuwpoort Z.H. It is like the Java-China-Paketvaart Flag of the Netherlands, with the crown surrounded by black letters K (left), F (right) and Z (bottom). There is a little label added charged with "A.J.A.Bartels, Telefoon 34303 Amsterdam." (Amsterdam got 6 digits only after WWII). It measures 75 x 100 cm. I'm quite sure that this one is Dutch, probably connected to water (houseflag, burgee, whatever...)
Jarig Bakker, 29 January 2010
This flag has been tentativly identified and moved to a more permanent location on FOTW as a possiable "United Nations flag used before 1945."
Image from James Ferrigan, 10 February 2010
(black numbers/letters added by UFE Editor to ease identification)
For enlarged images: [Flag Image 15a] [Flag Image 15b] [Flag Image 15c] [Flag Image 15d]
On 11 December 2009, Heritage Auction Gallery of Dallas, Texas, sold at auction Lot: 57298, which was a grouping of five signal flags from the US Torpedo Boat Winslow (1898). One of the flags is ICS "N" (checkered), but the others do not conform to any USN signals of which I am aware. The plain red one (15a) may be a variant "Speed" or "Crew´s Meal." The red & blue swallow-tailed flag (15c) is marked #4, and was made at the New York Navy Yard, the others are unidentified.
James Ferrigan, 10 February 2010
It looks like the mysterious yellow/black signal flag (15b above) has reared it's ugly head again. See UFE09-3 on the UFE 2009 page.
Pete Loeser, 11 February 2010
It is sometimes almost impossible to identify solitary signal flags without any provenance, as the same design has been used with different meanings in different systems. For example, the chequered flag is "November" in the current International Code of Signals, but was "Zulu" in the system used by the Royal Navy before it adopted the NATO signal flags. In the same RN system a red pennant was numeral pennant "8." A yellow/blue/yellow pennant (15d) in the October 1917 edition of the National Geographic Magazine, page 318, is a U.S. Navy call pennant "Oscar." I don't know how "call" pennants were used. The UFE10-16c (white over blue over white) pennant is probably USN, but in the pre-NATO RN a similar pennant, black instead of blue, was a Sub-Division Flag.
David Prothero, 16 February 2010
Images provided by James Ferrigan, 10 February 2010
On 5 Feb 2010, James D. Julia sold at auction Lot 2095, which included three signal flags they claimed are: "Three bunting flags, including a naval designating flag. Naval regulations as to such flags have changed so often we are guessing that these are captain or commander’s flags that were flown to show that an officer of that rank was aboard." These are also unknown to me as a part of any US navy signal system of which I am aware.
James Ferrigan, 10 February 2010
In February I submitted several pennants to the list. Several of you shared the difficulty of identifying lone signal pennants, and you were correct. David Prothero, speculated that UFE16c is from the US Navy and he was correct and his remark caused me to look there further.
I think I have identified this flag. In History of the Flag of the United States of America By George Henry Preble, 1880, pp. 671 to 674, this white, blue, white pennant is mentioned several times in orders promulgated in 1865, 1869 and 1870 as "Any officer, not authorized to wear the flag of a rear-admiral, or the broad pennant of a commodore, but appointed by an express order to command a division of a squadron, was to wear a divisional mark, of the size prescribed in the book of allowances (viz. five to eight feet hoist by from four to six feet length of fly), at the masthead, where the pennant is usually worn. These divisional marks were to be triangular in shape, with the middle part of a different color from the rest, in the form of a wedge, the base occupying one-third of the fly. For the first division, blue, white, blue; for the second division, red, white, red; for the third division, white, blue, white."
This is a Distinctive Mark of the US Navy, used by the commander of the Third Division of a squadron. Further research located an image in an 1872 edition of the same volume on p. 466; and although the proportions differ slightly, I am convinced that this is a ship made version of this pennant. It is the mid-19th century equivalent of the modern USN Burgee Command Pennant.
This pennant was sold by James D. Julia Auctions as an unidentified pennant from the Decatur family, one of the most distinguished American Naval families. Now, on to research as to if a descendant of Stephen Decatur may have displayed this pennant.
Jim Ferrigan, 19 March 2010
Note: UFE10-16c is the 3rd Substitute (Repeater) in the International Signal Code (ISC) and also used by NATO ships for the same purpose.
UFE-16a (blue pennant with red border and white star) is the burgee of the Williamsburgh (NY) Yacht Club.
UFE-16b (similar with blue and red reversed) has the look of a burgee as well, but I didn't see it when glancing quickly through the 1972 Lloyd's Register of American Yachts.
Joseph McMillan, 4 April 2010
This flag has been identified as a pennant version of the Town flag of Bonn (Flagge Bonn Kernstadt), sometimes refered to as the "Bonn downtown flag."
Image from Jackie, 20 February 2010
I am hoping you may be able to help me identify this flag. The only information that I have is that it was supposedly used during a royal visit of the British Queen to South Africa. I'm not sure if this is so, and I'm also not sure of its age. I can find no pictures of it on-line.
Jackie, 20 february 2010
That crown sure looks like the one of Saint Edward, and, as I understand it, only the British sovereign is allowed to use it, so this is definitely a Royal British flag. I'm not sure what does the white-yellow banner means, as royal standards have different designs.
Alex Danes, 20 February 2010
This is merely my opinion, but I think it mostly likely that this was just a bit of decorative display for a royal visit, not an actual flag.
Ned Smith, 20 February 2010
Image from Dave du Preez, 4 November 2013
I have the same flag with vertical colors red and white. It was used as a decoration and draped in front of shops for queens visit! Mine was draped in front of a shop named Northcotes in Kimberly, South Africa. My late mother-in-law was born in Kimberly and her father owned the shop and the flag hung in front of the shop for the visit of the queen! She passed on 3 weeks ago and when the family gathered to divide the household effects we opened up one of the yellowwood kists it was filled to the brim with newspapers, diaries, letters some dating back to the seige of Kimberly in 1899-1900! They are now displayed on this wall. [Notice the framed newspaper headline on the right hand side of flag! It says "Kennedy Shot Dead"]
Dave du Preez, 4 November 2013
faded original color-corrected image
This flag has been identified as a New Zealand Signalling Red Ensign (1899) and is now at its proper location.
Image from Nuno Rubim, 28 March 2010
Sometime time ago I came across of an ancient painting (black and white) in a 16/17th century building, in a Portuguese coastal town. It is known that for centuries north African Muslim corsairs and pirates infested the Portuguese coast (the Portuguese themselves did exactly the same thing in north-African towns). In that painting it is portrayed what I think is a "Xebec," with a flag which seems to me being a Muslim one. I'm sending you a copy of the drawing and a reconstitution made by myself. Can you give some help in the identification of the flag?
Nuno Rubim, 28 March 2010
Image from Laird Keir, 10 March 2010
I've come across this ensign and can't manage to identify it, either through my copy of Bartram (indicating it's not current) or by google searching the operative words: red, ensign, yacht, fish.
Laird Keir, 10 March 2010
I think that this (embowed dolphin on a Red Ensign) is an unauthorised defacement. It is not, as you say, current UK. It is not current overseas. It is not among the obsolete yacht club special ensigns that I have ever come across.
David Prothero, 10 March 2010
The ensign might be a former Canadian Coast Guard flag. The current ensign, which we have on our pages, shows two dolphins having nearly the same shape..
Klaus-Michael Schneider, 20 May 2010
Unlikely. If it were it would be a Blue ensign.
David Prothero, 21 May 2010
Image from Aleksandar Nemet, 13 March 2010
This interesting flag is displayed at the Low Head Pilot Station Museum (Tasmania, AU). Anybody know anything about it?
Aleksandar Nemet, 13 March 2010
The ensign at the Low Head Pilot Station is the house flag of Oceangas Services Australia Pty. Ltd..
Neale Rosanoski, 20 March 2010
Image by Richard Hall, 29 March 2010
I have spent hours searching for the ID of this enamel flag shaped pin. It has a red swallowtail field with a blue diamond in the middle with the letters "DTC" inside.
Richard Hall, 29 March 2010
Could this be another spin-off from the defunct Deutcher Touring Club DTC (UFE06-21) that Richard discovered in his research?
Pete Loeser, 9 April 2010
Image by Mike Turner, 20 April 2010
I’m searching for identification of a ships flag on a painting entitled "BEZALEEL H MORGAN MASTER ENTERING SMYRNA BAY 1864." The flag in question is quartered: Top left, red with Letter R in yellow; Top right, yellow with Letter H in red; Bottom Left, Blue with unknown symbol (fish?) in yellow; Bottom right, Red with letter S in yellow. The ensign at the stern is a Red Ensign. Are you able to help?
Mike Turner, 20 April 2010
The painting is by Raffaele Corsini, a mid-19th century Turkish painter well known for his nautical paintings. Most of his titles are in the form "Ship's name, master's name, entering Smyrna Bay, year". Unfortunately, a search for the Bezaleel and its master, H Morgan, drew a blank. As to the flag, this is a complete guess, but it's interesting that the colours and pattern are very similar to the British Royal Standard. The "R" could easily stand for "Royal."
James Dignan, 20 April 2010
This could be the sailing ship "Bezaleel" built 1856 at Salcombe of 200T gross and 188T net which was wrecked 30 January 1884, when owned by William Mackay of Greenock and under master William Francis Weymouth. If it were the same vessel the flag could indicate previous owners and possibly the unknown symbol in the 3rd quarter could be an ampersand which would be more logical to my thinking.
Neale Rosanoski, 12 May 2010
I found the following record in the British National Archives:
Speculative Image by Rob Raeside, 27 April 2010
I recently came across a picture of a flag that I cannot identify. I will try and describe it to you. The flag resembled an older version of an American flag but was not quite the same. It had three stripes lay horizontally with a red on top a white in the middle and another red at the bottom. On the far left upper corner was a blue filled quare -like the American confederate flag of 1861- but instead of having 12 stars, or 13 stars it only had one big single white star in the middle of the blue. I cannot find the origin, or even pictures of this flag anywhere, and am not even quite sure if it is American. It may have resembled Canadian, French or even British origin. Please, if you could help it would be very helpful.
James Schizoidman, 27 April 2010
I provided a speculative illustration of it (above) and asked him about where he saw it. It doesn't sound like it is a painting.
Rob Raeside, 27 April 2010
Yes, that is what it looked like. I honestly do not have any more information on this flag. I am trying to remember it from memory, but your design is what I saw. It is quite possible that this flag doesn't exist, but I am sure this was it. The only other thing I can remember is that it may have had something to do with World War II. Not sure on that though. Sorry, It was a long time ago, I do not have any information on it. Is it real or has my memory deceived me?
James Schizoidman, 27 April 2010
This is wild speculation rather than anything concrete, but the flags of the two main political parties in Honduras are an Austria-like red-white-red striped flag and a blue flag with a single white star. The flag you describe is a perfect combination of the two. It may be a pure coincidence, or it may be that what you have is some kind of Honduran political flag.
James Dignan, 27 April 2010
It also might be a variant of the Confederate First National "Stars and Bars."
Pete Loeser, 28 April 2010
At least one surviving CSA Flag generally meets this description, that of the 25th Virginia Regiment. In addition to the design described, however, the star was encircled with the word "VIRGINIA."
Dave Martucci, 29 April 2010
A flag like this, but with "Virginia" below the star, was captured at Phillipi in Western Virgina in 1861. I forget the unit it was offhand.
Greg Biggs, 30 April 2010
This is the flag of the "Volunteers of the Fifth Infantry Regiment, Hood's Texas Brigade," shown on the Center for Texas Studies website. According to them, the Fifth Infantry Regiment "...had this flag made in 1861 in Richmond, Virginia. A variant of the Confederate First National Flag, Republic of Texas, the volunteers of the Fifth Texas developed great affections for what they referred to as their 'lone-star flag'."
Peter Hans van den Muijzenberg, 5 July 2010
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