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Image from Juanito C, 18 January 2012
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While searching the web, I came across Spanish website which dealt with Military stuff from the time of the 2nd Mexican Empire and the Mexican-American War (1846-1848), and while I looked through the images I saw one uniform of the Saint Patrick's Battalion in which they show a UK Royal Flag which I'm guessing is from the House of Hanover pre-Victoria, but can't be to sure because of the image quality of the flag itself.
Juanito C, 18 January 2012
At first glance it appears to be an 1801 - 1837 British Royal Standard with the inescutcheon of Hanover (although difficult to be sure of which version), however (and I could be wrong in this), the second quarter does not appear to contain the lion rampant of Scotland with double border, but rather the lion of Leon and chains of Navarre? The details of the inescutcheon are unclear as well, so that might not actually be (at least accurately) Hanover?
Christopher Southworth, 18 January 2012
I think this was George III's royal standard, in use from 1816 to 1820 according to the crown. Prior to 1816, there was no crown, but an electoral cap. But this standard was also used by his successors George IV and William IV, so we can't be sure.
Corentin Chamboredon, 18 January 2011
A very reasonable conjecture, IMHO. But another point which I find puzzling is why an Irish Catholic emigre unit would be associated with a British Royal Standard.
Ned Smith, 18 January 2012
I didn't notice that. This is indeed surprising. Maybe this flag has been realized in Mexico and its maker were not very familial with British heraldry... A misunderstanding of what a double treasure is, perhaps?
Corentin Chamboredon, 18 January 2012
It is difficult to tell from that image, but you could well be right about it being Hanoverian - though not necessarily pre-Victoria. It is very similar to the arms of Britain's King George III, which had the arms of Hanover on an escutcheon surmounted by a royal crown, as in this flag (divided in three, with two lions to the left, a blue lion on yellow upper right, and a white horse on red in base) - several; of his descendants also used similar arms (including George V of Hanover and his son Ernest Augustus II). One quibble, though, would be that these arms would have a smaller escutcheon in the centre of the larger, showing a gold crown on red. There doesn't seem to be any sign of that on the flag.
James Dignan, 18 January 2012
Some Speculation#2a
#2b
#2c
#2d
#2e
#2f
#2g
Images from John McDonald, 22 January 2012
Attached are images of some Yacht Club Burgees presented to our Howth Yacht Club by visiting sailors. Can you identify any of the Burgees for me please? Many thanks in anticipation.
John McDonald, 22 January 2012
I believe the basis for #2a is the San Raphael Yacht Club burgee. You might want to ask them whether they had a golden jubilee burgee?
Peter Hans van den Muijzenberg, 13 February 2012
Three naval crowns? Who would use three naval crowns? Hm, let's try and narrow things down a bit (on #2d): Which countries actually use naval crowns?
Peter Hans van den Muijzenberg, 16 February 2012
Some Speculation
Image from Sue, 22 January 2012
I came across your page whilst trying to identify the flag on a brooch. Does it look familiar or can you put me in the right direction on how to identify it? I presume its a nautical one as it came from the Isle of Wight.
Sue, 22 January 2012
Vaguely familiar, but that's not going to help much. Let's at least notice that it's not a two-colour drawing: The staff uses several colours. So, these really are the colours it's supposed to be in?
Peter Hans van den Muijzenberg, 16 February 2012
Some Speculation
Image from William Lacey, 31 January 2012
I have a lapel/tie pin and its from some shipping company. What are the chances you could identify the company? It has a crown with a small circle above it and there is also a ship and its reflection on the crown. Any ideas please?
William Lacey, 31 January 2012
I don't think that is a crown, but it looks to me as a range of mountains, and the disk is the
sun above it. I wonder if this might be an Alaskan, British Columbian or Norwegian line, possibly a cruise line?
Rob Raeside, 31 January 2012
I'd bet any of the cruise lines that prowl either the Alaskan shore or the Norwegian fjords. Many do; I'm familiar with Holland-America, but they are hardly unique.
Albert S. Kirsch, 31 January 2012
Isn't it premature to label this a UFE? Granted it is Unidentified, but I see nothing so far to indicate that it represents a Flag or Ensign.
Ned Smith, 31 January 2012
[Editor´s Note: - I've decided to include this for a bit since Rob forwarded it. We've done unidentified logos of shipping lines before (which I add, Ned has also quite properly questioned before...). I'll probably remove this later, but who better than us to attempt an identification of this logo?]
Some Speculation
Image from Santiago Dotor, 2 February 2012
I just read an article La 'primavera' permanente de Kuwait in the news which show Kuwaitis "at a political rally of an opposition party" waving the national flag and another flag which is red with white arab characters. Maybe a political party flag? Maybe the former flag, as some kind of statement?
Santiago Dotor, 2 February 2012
I find this picture extremely interesting, has the "Arab Spring" arrived in Kuwait? In Kuwait there have been no officially political parties, but have they arrived "de facto" anyway, complete with party flags? This picture would indicate that indeed they have. In recent years, we have seen political disagreement between the government, outspoken deputies, and the public cause the Emir to dissolve the National Assembly several times, and popular protests like this one pictured have become more common. Perhaps a time has come in Kuwait that we will see the formation of official political parties and with them, a rich and fertile field for new (and some old) political flags. Interesting vexillological times ahead, I think.
Unfortunately, I haven't a clue to the identity of the blurred red flags, but the fact that there are multiple copies suggest they are indeed the product of an organized political group.
Pete Loeser, 2 February 2012
As a wild guess, and looking at the list of KW "parties" on Wikipedia the red flags might be affiliated with the Democratic Foundation of Kuwait, judging from the general design. But this is just a clue that might help someone to find more on it.
Željko Heimer, 2 Februrary 2012
New image from Eugene Ipavec, 13 February 2012
Might not the blurred unidentified Kuwait Political Party flag actually be the Kuwait National flag of 1956-1961 and not a political party flag at all? See the text information originally posted by Jarig Bakker (4 May 2000), and the image of that flag just submitted by Eugene Ipavec (13 February 2012). A very similar looking flag, but with the thin white hoist band hidden by a crease caused by the waving and reverse side-obverse side motion? I'm afraid reading Arabic is not my thing and I can't be sure if the script is correct.
Pete Loeser, 14 February 2012
Some Speculation
#6
#6a
#6b
#6c I found this flag/banner in my attic and wondered if you knew anything about it. I have found out it says "WITH GOD FOR GERMAN HOMELAND" (in German) on the side with eagle. On other side (striped red and white) it says "IN TRUE FAITH" (again, in German). It shows the Bremen coat-of-arms.
Paul Murray, 5 February 2012
I wonder if it might have been a flag used by a German Society in Britain?
Rob Raeside, 5 February 2012
The lower texts starts with VEREIN EHEM. ANGEHÖRIGER DES 1. HANSEATISCHES, probably meaning "regiment" or something like that, and maybe the number, and then centered below that: "BREMEN" so maybe "Society of former members of the 1st Hanseatic Regiment 'Bremen' [no.]". That would then refer to the Infantry regiment stationed in Bremen during the second German Empire, I expect. There were similar regiments in "Hamburg" and "Lübeck". On the reverse we see IN TREUE (in loyalty), but I wonder whether it's going to form "in Treue und Glauben". Our German members and military specialists might all know more. On the other hand, I hope that Paul can quote the exact German texts.
Peter Hans van den Muijzenberg, 13 February 2012
Some Speculation
Image from Ken Kadag, 24 January
(Editorial Note: Sorry, I missed this one and it is posted a bit out of order.)
I have a flag which I though was an American Revolutionary New Hampshire Regiment flag, but now have no idea what it represents and would appreciate any guidance any expert may have, It has a light blue background, with an American colonial era British cross, (Queen Anne?) with addition four bars pointing at 90 degrees outward between the cross bars, and a red center circle, with a gold crown on top and gold triangular symbol of some kind below the red circle, also four green sprigs - two on each side of the circle, top and bottom between gold symbols. The soldiers with the flag appear to be Revolutionary, in blue coats and white facings.
Ken Kadag, 24 January 2012
I am no expert on the area in question (and no doubt will be corrected by those that are), but this does not appear to be an accurate representation of a captured colour? Leaving aside the fact that the light blue should be dark blue (the background of the flag should match the facings colour of the regiment concerned), as far as I am aware, a British military colour – and a British military colour this is almost certainly meant to represent - of this period should bear a regimental number (in addition – or as part of - to any device) in its centre. It should be said also (and more importantly), that the canton appears to consist of a post-1801 Union Flag (bearing the red saltire of St Patrick in addition to white one of St Andrew)?
As a matter of interest, the central device appears to be a red rose, and (also as matter of interest) is the uniform concerned not that of a general officer of the Continental army rather than that of a colour bearer – a sergeant or junior officer?
Christopher Southworth, 28 January 2012
Positive ID
Image from Robert T, 12 February 2012
I looked around FOTW and on other sites to find which shipping company has this logo, found nothing. Any information is very helpful.
Robert T, 12 February 2012
I did browse through our collection of US, UK, Japanese, Canadian, German, Norwegian and Danish flags with marine associations, and found nothing. There are many house flags from Japan with a red ring, but
always something else included.
Rob Raeside, 13 February 2012
I'm a bit pressed for time, but check the "Toronto Sailing and Canoe Club" website.
Peter Hans van den Muijzenberg, 13 February 2012
Positive ID
Image from Patrick van der Ende
A while ago I found a flag lying around in a charity shop in the Netherlands. I didn't know it from any country from the world and searched the internet for counties and cities but without any luck.
It has a striking resemblance with the flag of the Dominican Republic, but it isn't. It has a label that says that it was made by the bonner fahnenfabrik, in Germany.
That's all I know. Does anybody know this one from anywhere?
Patrick van der Ende, 24 Febraury 2012
The lion with forked tail is clearly that of Luxembourg, but beyond that I cannot help. It does not appear to be in the FOTW Luxembourg pages. The lion is also similar to that of Limburg [also Limbourg], but in this context that would seem to be purely coincidental.
T.F. Mills, 25 February 2012
The lion does seem to be that of Limburg, a territory nowadays spilt up between SE Netherlands, far western Germany and Eastern Belgium, maybe also Luxemburg. But the type of flag is really uncommon for munies (in Germany). My opinion therefore is, that it is probably no municipal flag, but perhaps a shipping company from the lower Rhine area. My main suspect is a Dutch shipping company (colours better match Netherlands than the other suspects).
Klaus-Michael Schneider, 25 February 2012
It's not from the Dominican Republic, also not Dutch, but a shipping company, a German one. Thanks to Klaus-Peter Bühne (maintaining www.marcollect.de) we can identify UFE12-9 as the house flag of Rheintrans- Reedere i- Transport- und Speditions GmbH & Co KG (shipping, transport and logistics). The company was located in Duisburg, established in 1959, inactive since 2001. Due to political and economic circumstances being not satisfactory the company dissolved itself on 23 March 2007. The foto added by Klaus-Peter shows a banner version, but it is definitely the same. We had that flag within our pages as simply Rheintrans
, therefore it looked so familiar. The cross bars in the image within the R-shipping-company-list has however thicker cross bars.
Klaus-Michael Schneider, 28 February 2012
Some Speculation
Image by James Dignan, 28 February 2012
I have just been watching the David Attenborough documentary series "The Frozen Planet". In the seventh and last episode, there's a scene of a traditional festival at Barrow, in northern Alaska. In the background of the scene is a flag, which appears to be salmon orange with a white disc divided into three segments in the centre (it's possible, of course, that it was originally red and white and
has faded). I've searched the fotw-ws Alaska pages, but can find no similar flag. Anyone know what it might be? I've attached an approximate sketch of the flag.
James Dignan, 28 February 2012
Sound a bit like a whaling flag. Looks somewhat like this one used at the Whaling association demonstration [in Barrow, Alaska during the 2006 Inuit Circumpolar Conference], which I don't know either.
Peter Hans van den Muijzenberg, 28 February 2012
Some Speculation
Image by Pascal Prince, 4 March 2011
While looking a TV report about old African Kingdoms, they showed a Religious Souffi Ceremony celebrating the inhumation of a Local Sheikh in the Jebel Barkal Mountains. There where two people flying flags during the ceremony. They look very close to the Islamic Citizen's Association flag described by Martin Grieve (8 Dec 2007) except that they aren't rectangular... So either it's a religious flag or a local Flag for the Jebel Barkal region (Wikipedia)...
Pascal Prince, 4 March 2011
I´m sorry, I cannot tell it from your screen shot. They are not rectangular, then, so what are they? Forked, triangular, tapering?
António MARTINS-Tuválkin, 4 March 2011
It's clearly not rectangular, altough I don't know the right name for it, a pennon?
Pascal Prince 14 March 2012
Positive ID
#12a
#12bI have these 2 paratroop pendents and I have been unable to find any info on them. If you could provide any it would help.
Steve Trebs, 14 March 2012
Both flags are indicated to be 38.5 x 26.5 inches.
Rob Raeside, 15 March 2012
They are both British, and are souvenir-type flags related to the Parachute Regiment. [Flag #12a] depicts Bellerophon mounted on Pegasus, and the design was used as the 'flash' (arm patch insignia) by all Airborne troops from the Second World War until 1999. (See: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/402130.stm)
[Flag #12b] is similar to a flag sold by the Parachute Regiment for the use of veterans or soldiers´ families. (See: https://www.airbornepri.com/parachute-regiment-flag)
Ian Sumner, 15 March 2012
Some Speculation
Image from Alen Duspara, 18 March 2012
I bought this few days ago, but I cannot recognize which country this item represent. It is double-head eagle with wings (up). The position of swords can be changed, so I am not sure if this is real one, but maybe you can recognize if you see the picture on this magnet (in center).
Alen Duspara, 18 March 2012
The device in the centre may be the arms of Castile and Leon, a province of Spain, but I don't know about the two-headed eagle. You indicate the badge in the centre is a magnet,
so I presume it can be detached, and may not correspond to the mounting behind it?
Rob Raeside, 18 March 2012
Looks like a poor version of the old basic Spanish arms to me (Castile and Leon with Granada at the base) displayed on the Imperial Eagle. Having said that, however, the three swords and the overall low quality suggest to me some entrepreneur's efforts to cash in on "The Three Musketeers" which was made as a movie and a play at different times. Although the action takes place in France, when cashing in who cares about accuracy? This is just speculation on my part and I could be wrong.
Dave Martucci, 18 March 2012
This is similar to coat-of-arms of the City (or Province) of Toledo (autonomous community of Castile-La Mancha, Spain). Toledo has a great tradition of the manufacturing of swords and knives of "Toledo steel" (acero toledano) which are sold as souvenirs.
Luismi Arias, 18 March 2012
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